We Must Converse


What would it look like if under the “What We Believe” of a church’s website was listed: “We believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. Let’s have a conversation about the rest.”

Would a conversation be so detrimental?



With all of the issues facing the church currently, one has to ask: What would happen if we would converse rather than state? I remember reading on a church’s

website once that they believed in dispensationalism. Because we all know how important that is…

When I read Bryan Berghoef’s book, “Pub Theology,” I was challenged to seek conversation rather than argument.

As I reread the Gospels recently, I was challenged to seek conversation rather than argument.

And today, I’m challenged to seek conversation rather than argument.

Call me a hippie. Call me a liberal. Call me whatever you want. But wouldn’t we be better off to converse rather than argue?

I am reminded of a friend with whom I was talking recently and he told me that he is turned off by the church because of how they take a stance and do not listen to anyone else with an opposing argument. He told me that it seemed like the church was terrified of an intellectual conversation because of how idiotic and archaic it would make the church seem. I think we are moving away from this mindset, but I think it is still there in some bodies.

In the midst of turmoil and controversy, I want to have a conversation. With everyone. No matter who you are. What you believe. What you don’t believe. I want to have a conversation with you. I want to hear what you believe and why. And I simply want to listen. Just think if we all began listening. What could we accomplish then? Even within the church. If the church would stop arguing internally and began conversing and listening to one another, then could John 17 actually come true? Would the world know that God sent Christ and loves the world like he loves Christ? But conversing does mean that it is not about being right all the time; which is a difficult pill for many of us to swallow, because we cling to being right and if we aren’t right, then we fear what may be true: that we are wrong.

And I think by listening, we can begin to move forward past stereotypes. Stereotypes against the church and stereotypes against that which the church opposes.

By no means am I advocating that we do not seek truth in our conversations. I think that we do need to seek some absolute truth. But I think we need to do it like Jesus did…through conversation.

I had a professor in college who once told my class that: “before you being thinking that someone else’s religion is crazy, remember that you believe in a person that was killed and raised back to life over 2,000 years ago. That is unbelievable. So remember how crazy that sounds to someone else.”

Are we remembering that when we have a conversation with someone? Or are we just thinking about how right we are and how wrong everyone else is?


Abstinence is Not the Answer


ImageI’ve been researching statistics on teen sexuality the past couple of weeks in preparation for a series we’re doing at Crash (our student ministry) entitled, “Sex on Fire.” I am more than saddened by some of the numbers that I’ve been seeing. The United States still leads among other developed countries in regards for teenage pregnancy rates. States that teach abstinence only have some of the highest pregnancy rates in the nation. 

For a nation that boasts in being a “Christian Nation,” our numbers sure do not prove that to be true. By saying that, I am not saying that I support the idea that America is a “Christian Nation.” That opens up a whole can of worms that I am not willing to dive into at this time. I am simply saying that the American evangelical church boasts in this title and yet, we lead among other developed nations in teen pregnancy.

As I’ve been preparing for the next three weeks of this series, I’ve come to the following conclusion: abstinence is not the answer. 

The problem is, biblically speaking, we are only teaching half of the answer. I have sat in on many purity rallies. The speakers talk about how sex is fantastic but should be saved for marriage. They encourage students to not participate in sex until marriage. They talk about the dangers of premarital sex. But that’s it. We talk about abstinence. But we never talk about pursuit.

I’m not talking about the pursuit of a relationship. I’m talking about the pursuit of holiness. Paul, in his letter to the church in Ephesus says, “Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need” (Ephesians 4.28, ESV).

The Church Father, John Chrysostom, wrote about this passage: “Where are they which are called pure; they that are full of all defilement, and yet dare to give themselves a name like this? For it is possible, very possible, to put off the reproach, not only by ceasing from the sin, but by working some good thing also. Perceive ye how we ought to get quit of the sin? They stole. This is the sin. They steal no more. This is not to do away the sin. But how shall they? If they labor, and charitably communicate to others, thus will they do away the sin. He does not simply desire that we should work, but so work as to labor, so as that we may communicate to others. For the thief indeed works, but it is that which is evil.”

It is not enough to just say, “STOP.” There has to be more. There has to be something else. There has to be the pursuit of holiness. This applies to so much more than premarital sex. This applies to any sin in our life. I fear that we teach “stop,” but not “pursue.” Of course, this line of thought is prominent in our society; it’s not a problem if we don’t talk about it. We ignore things and hope they will go away. But Paul never supports this idea. 

One must stop, but one must also pursue and labor. 

No longer should the evangelical church be promoting abstinence only. We should be teaching something more. We are teaching half-truths. We must begin changing the mindset from only “stopping” to “stopping and pursuing.”